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SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Shelley
Treacher from the Binge and
Overeating Recovery Podcast.
Today I'm going to be talking
about relationship dynamics and
conflict, but first I have a
question.
I'm scared that if I start to
feel I won't stop.
How can I start to feel without
having a nervous breakdown?
This is a great question because
I know a lot of people worry
about this.
So I have four tips to offer
today.
Start by asking yourself how you
feel about simple things like
the weather.
How do you feel when your skin
is affected by the first chill
of autumn?
What's it like to be the first
one up in the morning?
Or what do you experience when
you look at that rose bush near
your house?
Practice this phase for as long
as you need to.
This really is good grounding in
working out what your response
actually is to things.
Then, in the context of
relationship as we've been
talking about lately, progress
to asking yourself how you feel
in response to other people's
requests of you.
Think about what it is that you
really want to be doing and why.
Then, when you're ready to
progress to a deeper level of
feeling, choose someone you know
you will feel safe with to feel
it and express that.
2.
If you're not sure where to
start, start with noticing the
physical sensations of the
experience of feeling, rather
than the emotion or the content
of what you're thinking about or
the story.
3.
That too can be overwhelming for
some, in which case focus only
on your muscles or your
strength.
Push a wall or squeeze something
in your hand.
Feel your energy.
Or use a grounding technique
like literally feeling your feet
on the ground, or imagining that
your feet have roots like a
tree.
Or any of the self-soothing
techniques that I've talked
about.
And then finally, it's the fear
of feeling that overwhelms us,
so acceptance is key.
If you can accept that you feel
the way you do, the power can be
taken right out of it.
This includes the fear of
feeling a feeling.
All feelings are acceptable.
So let's get on with talking
about clashes and conflict in
relationship, which of course
may be another reason why
somebody might comfort eat.
I know I can eat when I'm angry
because I've had a disagreement
with somebody, so I know that
some of you must feel this too.
I'm gonna start by going back to
Alan Shaw to explain some of the
neuroscience behind some of
this.
Shaw says that we align our
brain states with those of
others.
Ideally, a mother would regulate
the child's state.
Fetal development is actually
where the focus of neuroscience
is going at the moment, because
the brain is developing in
utero.
This is all about how the mother
responds to stress and how the
mother's dysregulated state is
transmitted to the child.
After birth, the father, or
anyone else, can pass their
state to the baby.
With trauma, or a mother who
doesn't regulate the state of
their child, the child's brain
is simply not efficient at
imprinting the brain's circuits
that allow the child to
regulate.
This can block them from
developing.
What this means is that stress
won't be dealt with very well
later in life.
This person may become
vulnerable to stress because
they simply just didn't get the
chance to build the circuits in
the brain that help them to
self-regulate.
This disturbance, or lack of a
parent emotionally regulating
your state, also dysregulates
the connection people have
emotionally with each other.
It damages the ability to stay
in the present and also the
ability to separate emotionally
from others.
So conflict in relationship will
be complicated for the person
who cannot self-regulate and who
feels a dysregulated connection
with others.
Rupture is common in
relationship even for the
secure.
How we attempt to repair is the
predictor of whether we will
come through conflict happily
and feel connected again or not.
With insecure attachment, or a
childhood where your needs were
not really attended to well
enough, there has often been no
interactive repair after
difficulty in relationship.
So you just don't learn how to
deal with conflict.
But not only that, Shaw says
that the baby absorbs the
mother's defense to trauma and
also defends against it.
So if the mother is angrily in
denial about how she feels, the
baby will feel that.
But the baby will also try to
defend against it.
This means that here you're
predisposed to doing this in
your life, in any stressful or
conflict situation.
To defend against stress, to
push it away as if it's not
happening.
And to add further to the
difficulty in dealing with
conflict, as we talked about
last week, with childhood
difficulty, you create and
participate in seeing hostility
and provoke reactions from
others which reinforce your
childhood experience.
As mentioned last week, commonly
people assume that they're being
judged or expect not to be liked
if this is what they felt when
they were growing up.
Studies have shown that children
evoke from their friends and
school teachers exactly the way
they learned in the first 12
months.
The teachers or the other
children's responses reinforce
this belief.
This is true of secure or
insecure.
So if we don't have repair or
regulation through modeling, or
if we receive stress responses,
we become insecure or repeat
defensive patterns in
relationship.
This lays down the pattern for
how we deal with conflict.
What I'm about to describe is
how this might look and what's
behind many of the conflicts
that couples have.
See if you can recognize this.
When we become worried about
whether someone cares for us, we
become hyper-vigilant.
What happens to the other person
is that they feel criticized.
They feel accused of not being
good enough or caring enough.
So they pull away.
This seems like proof to the one
who was worried about being
cared for in the first place
that this person doesn't care.
So both are in defense, pulling
and pushing away and hurting.
It's a lack of ability to
co-regulate with another.
If you have any experience of
abandonment, it literally feels
like being cut off from safety.
This sends out signals to the
other person's nervous system,
remember I said that last time,
which push away.
Literally, your nervous system
sends a cue saying, I'm not safe
to be around you, which the
other person may respond to with
feeling criticized.
So for there to be any change to
this system, we need to
understand what we're doing.
And just recognizing that any of
this is happening to you is the
key to changing.
I want to tell you what one of
my clients said about this
dynamic today.
He said, having a relationship
is a catalyst for getting over
myself.
I love this quote and I really
agree with it.
It really makes sense.
Where getting over yourself is
learning to understand what your
defenses are and how that stops
you from being connected.
Our nervous systems are invited
into connection when we're open.
How we repair a rupture in
relationship is by learning to
tolerate and express how we
feel, rather than blaming,
pretending nothing's wrong, or
dissociating.
To start to repair, it's a good
idea to regulate yourself first.
You may need to calm down from
fight, flight, or freeze before
you can open to another or even
to yourself.
Then, a technique that either of
you or both of you could use to
come back into openness is
remembering your abundance.
Either yours, your own, or the
abundance you have had together.
You can close your eyes and you
can consciously attune to the
abundance of this moment for
you.
Right now, if you want to.
I notice what happens if I close
my eyes and feel into the
abundance of my life.
What do I feel?
I feel utterly privileged that I
get to talk to you about things
that are really important to me.
This feeling is something that
no one can take away from you.
It's yours.
And you have it to come back to
whenever you need it.
I actually practice this one
quite a lot.
As I said, I'm in a
long-distance relationship.
My abundance doesn't go away
when my partner doesn't respond
to my call.
I have learnt that what that
really means is he feels
overwhelmed or needs times to
himself.
Or he's simply busy doing
something else.
None of this is a threat to me.
The threat is internal.
How this looks in person for us
is by having eye contact and
some small element of touch.
I know some people won't want to
be touched when they're upset or
angry.
That's also normal.
And it has to be respected.
Self-regulation may still be
needed or being heard by the
other.
And then co-regulation may
involve touch of some kind.
If this dynamic is showing
itself in your relationship,
know that it's normal, and it
always takes two.
We can often get lost in
thinking we are the problem, but
there's always something going
on for both of you, because
you're human.
And because you chose each
other.
It's likely that both of your
histories reflect the same
difficulties you experience
together.
The quiet partner is usually
contributing to the dynamic too.
It's just that they might not
have the awareness or
understanding of it, because
they've had all the challenges
to self-regulation and
connection that you had too.
Like my client today said, it's
a hell of a thing having a
mirror.
Often the people I see who are
in the early stages of dating
seem to expect themselves to be
having so much fun and to be
light and easygoing.
This is a cultural thing, I
think.
They give themselves such a hard
time for feeling anxious or
worried.
But you can see that if someone
is afraid of being thought of
badly because of early
experiences, this transference
is often going to kick in
straight away when you meet
somebody.
Nonviolent communication is a
really good thing to know about
in any stage of conflict or
relationship, and a great start
for dealing with conflict or
dissatisfaction in relationship.
I'm going to give you two
definitions of what nonviolent
communication is.
The first is from
nonviolentcommunication.com.
Nonviolent communication shows
us a way of being very honest
without any criticism, insults,
or put downs, and without any
intellectual diagnosis implying
wrongness.
Our survival as a species
depends on our ability to
recognize that our well-being
and the well-being of others are
in fact one and the same.
And here's the definition from
the CNVC, which is the Center
for Nonviolent Communication.
They have such a lot of good
information on their website.
With nonviolent communication,
we learn to hear our own deeper
needs and those of others.
Through its emphasis on deep
listening to ourselves as well
as others, nonviolent
communication helps us discover
the depth of our own compassion.
This language reveals the
awareness that all human beings
are only trying to honour
universal values and needs every
minute, every day.
As I say, you can look up so
much good information on CNVC on
the internet, but the basic idea
is to express how you feel and
to listen to each other, rather
than to say anything about what
the other person is doing.
So for example, I might say, I
feel overwhelmed when you ask me
all those questions, rather than
I hate it when you talk too
much.
That's quite a big difference.
I've been surprised so many
times in my life by how
effective this type of
communication can be.
It can completely turn a
relationship around because it's
so respectful and nourishing.
Of course, it won't always be
easy and it won't always go
well.
In fact, I think it's quite
clunky when you first start
learning it, especially as we
get defensive.
As I say, my partner and I have
really been through it with this
one.
It took courage on both of our
parts to really hear how we each
feel, but I think we're getting
better at it.
As with much that I'm trying to
tell you, bearing discomfort
reaps incredible rewards.
Something that might be useful
to know or to add at this point
is that often what we see at the
heart of conflict in
relationship is a deep desire
for our partner or our boss to
replace the love we felt we
didn't have as a child.
And so we get upset or angry
when that doesn't happen.
But a partner or a boss can't be
a missing parent.
It's too late.
The damage has been done.
But it is possible to develop
that internal sense of parenting
and to create open, accepting
relationships.
One of the things we need to
learn here is to understand our
response to difference and
perhaps learn to accept it more
in order to connect.
Now let's do an exercise.
This is the kind of thing that
we might explore in one of my
groups.
I'm going to ask you to close
your eyes and just breathe, just
focus on your breathing for a
second and come into your body.
Just notice whatever physical
sensations you have right now.
And imagine a hand on your back
from someone you love and who
loves you.
Know that this hand's intention
is to regulate your nervous
system.
It's an explicit invitation to
feel calmed by another person.
Feel it and notice your response
to this.
There are no wrong responses.
Today we've learned that the
state our parents are in is
passed on to us.
That we become defended against
stress if we experience it in
the womb.
That we project this onto others
that we meet.
Which acts as self-fulfilling in
that we repeat this experience
in life.
We've learned that we attract
others who reflect exactly what
we have trouble with too.
We've learnt that we find
conflict and repair difficult if
we were never taught how to do
it.
Learning to tolerate and express
how we feel is the answer.
Nonviolent communication is a
great tool for repair.
We've also learned that we
co-regulate when we're open.
Thank you so much for listening.
Next week, I'm going to be
giving you a bit of an update on
how I'm doing with no sugar and
my eating.
I'm going to be talking about
how to sustain a habit a little
bit more.
My Understand Your Eating group
is well underway, I'm very happy
to say.
But if you want to join the next
group, it won't be long before
it's up again, so please do get
in touch.
And if you want help with
finding a loving relationship
and uncovering your blocks to
that, I'm recruiting now for the
next program that I run.
And please do keep your comments
and questions coming.
I absolutely love to receive
them, and they're so useful to
other people.
Thank you, I'll see you next
Wednesday!