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SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Shelly
Treacher from the Binge and
Overeating Recovery Podcast.
Today's podcast is all about
undoing relational conditioning.
The first thing to wrap your
head around is understanding
that the discomfort you feel in
the present that makes you want
to comfort eat may relate to
something relational from your
past.
This may be why your discomfort
is so intolerable or difficult
to manage.
Here I'm gonna talk about how
you can start to heal.
But first I have a question and
a comment.
The question is how do you undo
early childhood conditioning?
Then she goes on to say, in my
family, upsetting feelings were
always medicated with food.
Mum and dad had a blazing row on
Christmas Eve like they do every
year.
Mum gives me hot mince pies and
cream.
Grandma's unwell and in
hospital.
Unlimited chocolate cake,
chocolate bars, and fries are
given to me, which mum would eat
as well.
And so on and so on.
The compulsion to eat when upset
is hard to break for me.
It has to be food.
A warm bath, a rheumatherapy
candle, a hug doesn't even come
close.
I'm sure all of this is
relatable to so many people
listening in, and I hope that
today's podcast will start to
answer that question for you.
Pretty much all of my podcasts
are about understanding the
habits you're in and finding
ways to tolerate emotion
differently.
On the back of your comments
here about familial conflict and
comfort eating, today's podcast
and the theme of the next few
weeks is about undoing
relational conditioning.
Though you may also want to
check back on the habits podcast
that I did a few weeks ago.
So like I said, the first thing
to get your head around is
understanding how how you feel
in the present might relate to
something that happened a long
time ago to you.
From last week's podcast, start
by identifying which attachment
style you relate to the most,
what kind of caregiving you got
as a child, and what kinds of
relationships you have now.
Did your caregivers attend to
all of your needs?
Or were they sometimes there and
sometimes not?
Or were they seemingly
uninterested in your well being
at all?
And is this reflected in the
kinds of people you hang out
with now?
Whatever the original wound is
or was for you, this is likely
something that still resurfaces.
This is normal for all of us.
So for example, if your parents
were sometimes attentive and
sometimes not, as mentioned last
week, you might struggle to
believe that someone could be
fully there for you, and you may
have developed anxiety around
that.
How did you cope with how your
parents treated you growing up?
I know I coped as a teenager by
listening to music in my bedroom
and writing poetry for hours, as
well as watching a lot of
television and eating pepperami.
This was the eighties.
How did that develop in later
life for you?
For me, I spent a large chunk of
my relational life with men who
weren't available emotionally.
Quite honestly, it's only in
recent years that I've found
people who I feel really
appreciated by.
It's a two-way street.
I had to learn to appreciate
myself before I could even spot
the people who did or didn't
have the capacity to appreciate
me.
Then I could allow others who
appreciated me into my life.
One thing that you can do is lay
out a map for yourself of how
this all happened for you and to
get to know what triggers you.
I know that I can be triggered
by what I perceive as rudeness,
criticism, or disengagement.
This is common for the anxiously
attached.
The anxious brain can quickly
make up a story of feeling
uncared for.
The key to overcoming this
patterning and triggering that
may lead to comfort eating is in
giving yourself time and
attention.
Partly in being able to
recognize what's going on for
you.
Then, as I said last week, you
have to learn to tolerate your
affect or your feeling.
For me, I've been learning to
tolerate that feeling of being
treated badly or disconnected
with, recognizing that it comes
from my past and may not be the
truth about the present
situation.
I know that I see the world
through this lens when I'm
triggered.
All of this helps you to see
that you have a choice, so that
you can choose to jump out of
the unconscious system of
reactions that you have.
This develops so that it becomes
quicker over time.
When I realize I'm triggered, I
first set about trying to calm
my nervous system down.
Lots of my previous podcasts are
about this, so you may want to
check back on some of them.
Because what happens when you're
triggered is your system goes
into fight, flight, or freeze.
So it needs to find equilibrium
first.
Then I can often see the
situation from a different
angle, recognizing that it's my
primal wound that got triggered.
I can see that the current
situation may be very different
to how I imagine.
For example, the person I feel
treated badly by may be feeling
stress of their own, and so
reacting from fight, flight, or
freeze themselves.
This is often the case actually.
I'm learning that with my
partner, when I feel he has been
brisk or disengaged with me,
it's because he has something of
his own going on, or I do.
It's only once I've calmed down,
been understanding with myself,
and become more objective about
the situation that I can feel
into the subjectivity of him or
the other person.
The idea here is that you learn
how to downregulate your shame,
your fear, your rage, and you
learn to upregulate pleasure and
joy.
The thought is that when you
find the safety in yourself, you
will then find it in and with
others.
I've seen this play out so many
times with my clients and also
in my life.
Remaining emotionally connected
with yourself or with anybody
else is key.
And the thing that we don't do
when we're in defensive mode.
This is the domain of the right
brain of emotion.
And it's this part that needs to
be contacted to heal.
Like I said last week, the two
sides of the brain have totally
unrelated domains and jobs, so
we have to work triggering
through in the unconscious
emotional experience of the
right brain.
The left brain cannot
rationalize emotional experience
until there's been an
experiential right brain shift.
Mindfulness is one of the ways
you can evoke this
self-intelligence.
This is attention to how you
feel, observation of your body
and the state that you're in.
Here you're in the present
moment where you can
re-establish control and learn
to recognize your choices.
Here you can recognise that
before you assumed something
outside you was in charge.
I can't tell you how many times
people who come to me say that
they feel like something else is
making them eat.
Whatever we believe is happening
is what we will see.
So if I believe my partner or
men are cruel, selfish, and
critical, that's what I'll see.
And I'll look for evidence of
this.
But to heal, we need to open our
systems to relate to others.
Which is of course what we're
also afraid of.
With trauma, we're just looking
for safety and survival.
We're focused on fear.
Our nervous systems are too
triggered to be curious or to
explore.
So allowing these interactions
to arise gives us an opportunity
to work with it.
You can see every conflict as an
invitation to explore.
In staying connected, you allow
co-regulation or interrelation
to happen.
Here are some of the ways to
explore what's going on for you
and how to take back the
control.
For one thing, you can be a
secure attachment figure
yourself.
Be someone you can rely on and
turn to, particularly for you.
Get your adult self to nurture
your child self.
Sit with your child feelings.
Tolerate and validate those
feelings.
I talked about this in the
Self-Worth podcasts about a
month ago.
Another thing you can do is to
create more secure attachment
relationships.
Find secure attachment figures.
That's what therapy is, but it's
also powerful in my groups,
where people learn to relate
honestly, perhaps for the first
time.
Another thing you can do is hang
out with people who can
self-regulate.
If you do this, you'll start to
resonate and corregulate with
them.
Something else you can do is use
animals or imagery of animals to
explore connection.
Sense the feel of fur as you
touch it with love.
Experience the warm feelings you
have, maybe in your chest.
This is particularly helpful for
people who don't feel safe with
other people.
Allow this practice and
experience it.
Something else you can try.
Binge or comfort eaters have
more difficulty tolerating
positive emotions.
So you need to expand that
vocabulary and the feelings
themselves.
List all the positive feelings
that happened this week.
Assess how much positive emotion
do you tolerate?
How long do you tolerate it for?
Do you slip into negative when
you're actually feeling
positive?
And then another thing that you
can do is build your observer of
all the different parts of you.
For example, explore in a safe
environment, and you may need a
professional or therapy group to
explore this, but you can also
imagine it yourself.
Notice what it's like to receive
a hand on your back for support.
What does that bring up in you?
Explore is the operative word
here.
It may not feel safe at first.
Kindness, compassion, and
empathy can also be triggering
or overexposing, and can
invigorate feelings that you
can't tolerate.
In fact, anyone may be a trigger
for someone at any time, so it
can't be avoided.
You may, for example, explore
how you keep yourself small.
One part of you may be
physically dissociative, or you
may explore a part that wants to
fight back.
Just like with the child and
adult work, the idea is to get
these parts communicating, to
integrate through your bodily
experience of both states, and
as I say, you may need a
professional to do this safely.
What's it like to push out
versus to recoil, for example?
What can you learn about
yourself here?
Something else you can do.
You can also explore how
occasionally you cope better.
Write all about how you do that
sometimes, and what it takes to
be able to do that.
Even if it is quite rare, even
if it was a long time ago that
you felt that you did that.
Think of a time when you did
cope with something you don't
normally cope with very well,
and just think about what it
took for you to be able to do
that.
And then conversely, you can
explore what do you need when
you get dysregulated?
Look at each different need
separately.
For example, if you stub your
toe, do you need a hug or a
moment alone?
Another way of exploring is to
ask what would life be like if
you weren't repeating this
pattern in this trauma response,
and to really visualize that.
And then finally, how would you
know when you're done with
needing help with this?
Who would you be and what would
be happening?
If you no longer needed help
with your eating, what would
your life look like?
The aim is always to reinstate
choice, because that's what's
been lost.
The choice of feeling trust and
safety.
So the learning is about feeling
safe in your body, tolerating
affect, and learning to tolerate
others.
One of the other areas that I
work in is love addiction and
codependency.
There are surprising parallels
between these and comfort
eating, and often all of these
go hand in hand, where they're
all used to regulate difficult
emotion or experience.
So next week I'm going to talk
about a fear of abandonment
specifically, and about
rejection.
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