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SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Shelley
Treacher from the Binge and
Overeating Recovery Podcast.
Today I'm gonna start talking
about your history in
relationship.
But first I've got a really
valuable comment.
Someone has said that they felt
a little like I was telling them
what to eat in a previous
podcast, and so they felt what
told what to do.
They said that it sounded a bit
like I was preaching what was
right or wrong about what to
eat, which bothered them.
I really appreciate this comment
for so many different reasons,
and the first is it helps me to
refine my language and it helps
me to be more inclusive.
This is so important with the
work that I do, but it's also
going to be important for you to
learn.
So I'm really grateful that I
get the chance to do that quite
often.
This kind of consideration about
how you feel is the key to
reducing your frustration with
yourself and therefore to reduce
your need to cover up that
frustration with food.
So it matters to me that you
felt got at or that somebody
felt got at.
And it needs to matter to you
too.
It needs caring for and
repairing.
This is an ongoing project.
And then the second reason that
it means a lot to me this
comment is it means I can
clarify my true intention, which
is also quite important.
I certainly don't want to tell
you what to eat, what's healthy,
what's not healthy, or to tell
you that what you're doing is
wrong.
I'm simply not qualified and
don't have any expertise in that
area.
And I don't believe it would be
helpful to you either.
I may have some idea of what's
healthy for me, but it's not in
my interest to judge you for
what you eat, because that's
exactly what you need to
release.
Judgment leads to feeling bad,
so may make you want to eat
more.
And then there's a third reason
why I really appreciate this
comment.
I now have a vehicle for
starting to explore something
that may be essential to learn
in trying to manage eating.
And that and this leads very
nicely onto today's subject.
Feeling upset with me or
irritated that my I may have
been judgmental towards you
could be extremely valuable
information about yourself.
It could tell you exactly what
it is that you need to heal
from.
Because it tells you how you're
wounded and what you struggle
with.
This may be the very thing that
causes overeating in the first
place.
Here's a question you can use to
start exploring this.
Is this a familiar experience
for you?
Do you often feel told off or
told what to do?
Or do you often feel like you're
getting something wrong?
This is something that comfort
eaters may be very familiar
with.
Inbuilt in the mechanisms of
comfort eating is a kind of a
rebellion, and I hear about this
over and over again.
If you ever hear the words in
your head something like, I
don't care, sod it, let's do it
anyway, just before you overeat,
you might be able to relate to
this.
Often this is fuelled by a
feeling of rebellion.
A feeling of you can't tell me
what to do.
More often than not, I hear of
criticism, restriction, or a
lack of attention in the
upbringing or history of the
binge eater.
And this can lead to feeling
resentment and to rebel in
response.
A way to explore this is to
remember feeling this for the
first time.
Explore how it makes you feel,
and ultimately offer kindness
towards this part of yourself
for having had that experience
or for re-experiencing it.
And so this leads really nicely
on to talking about your
history.
I want to start talking about
relationship today because it's
actually something else that I
specialise in working with.
But relationship is also a major
contributing factor in
overeating.
How we relate to each other can
send our spirits soaring or
leave us shattered for days.
What gives us more meaning than
connection?
But relationship or lack of
connection can also cause us the
most immense amount of pain.
In this series, in the next few
podcasts, I'm going to show you
how it's possible to move beyond
the effects of an insecure
childhood.
But first I'm going to explain
what that means.
So let's start right at the
beginning by talking about how
you learnt to relate the way
that you do.
I want to start talking about
attachment theory and your
history.
Attachment theory is the label
that's given to the study of how
we internalize the way we felt
we were treated as we were
growing up.
It's the exploration of the way
we felt we first were related
to, and consequently the way we
learnt to relate to ourselves.
In turn, this shows up in the
way we relate to others.
It's a pattern that we cannot
avoid learning very early in
life.
It needs uncovering because it
might be the real deep-seated
reason that you overeat.
The subject that most trauma
therapists work with, and indeed
most therapists, is
interpersonal trauma.
Trauma that occurred in the
context of primary
relationships.
This means that relationship is
possibly the greatest challenge
that we face.
It's true as well, though, that
genetics and life experience
also influences us, but for the
purpose of this podcast, I'm
just talking about your
childhood history.
And so there are two categories
of attachment history.
There's secure attachment
history and there's non-secure
attachment history.
If you had a secure upbringing,
your needs were met and attended
to enough by sensitive,
available, and responsive
caregivers.
So the person in this kind of
upbringing feels that their
emotions are worthwhile and
expects people to respect them
for how they feel and to provide
what they need.
They also feel comfortable with
intimacy and are usually warm
and loving.
This secure person may take or
leave food or be able to take or
leave it.
In the category of non-secure
attachment, there are roughly
three categories.
One is avoidant, one is
ambivalent or anxious, and the
other is disorganized.
In an avoidant attachment
insecurity upbringing, the
caregivers would have been
distant, rigid, unresponsive.
This child would not have been
paid attention too much and
would have learnt that no one
would really respond at all if
they had any needs.
This person feels they haven't
got what they need, so they
survive by not needing anything
from anyone.
So they don't ask for anything
from anyone.
And with a partner later in
life, they don't need that
person.
They equate intimacy with a loss
of independence and constantly
try to minimize closeness.
There's a kind of an avoidant
rebellion that says you can't
tell me what to do.
This person may turn to food
when they're angry, but may also
use food to dissociate.
With ambivalent or anxious
attachment, there would have
been an inconsistent caregiving
style.
Sometimes the caregiver would
have been there and sometimes
they would have not been there.
Completely unpredictably.
And that person grows up to
believe, I don't know if you're
there for me or not.
They crave intimacy, become
preoccupied with love and
relationships, and tend to worry
about their partner's ability to
love them.
With being ambivalent or
anxiously attached, this person
might turn to food when feeling
abandoned, worthless, or
rejected.
With disorganised attachment,
none of this really matters.
They can't regulate at all.
And they will try to get it from
relationship.
This often comes from abuse, but
it doesn't always.
You know, I want to normalise
this at this point by saying
that we all fall into one of
these categories, or a
combination of these categories.
For me, I was raised by a mother
who managed her stress by
overworking.
I know that when I was ready to
be born she was up a ladder
painting the flat, and after a
long week at work as well.
But she also adored me when she
was available.
My father was completely
unavailable, so I have a mix of
ambivalence and avoidance in my
history, and it still shows up
in some of my relationships.
And I can also tell you that me
and my partner provoked each
other constantly at the
beginning of our relationship.
We don't do it so much now, but
it is still there.
And we work with it.
Let's dive into the neuroscience
a little bit for this.
So Alan Shaw is an expert in
neuroscience and in the effect
of the way we learn to relate
with our primary caregivers.
It's so fascinating.
He states that the early
developing right brain is shaped
by our social and emotional
experiences.
The left part of our brains is
the part that deals with logic,
the verbal, and the conscious.
The right part of our brain
deals in emotion and the
unconscious.
It processes social information.
Those two are entirely
different.
Something that is central to my
work and huge for human beings,
yet so little understood, is
that the two sides find it hard
to understand each other.
Logic cannot figure out implied
meaning and emotion cannot be
reasoned with.
Early trauma, which may mean
insecure attachment, interferes
with the right brain processes.
It harms the processing of
social and emotional
information.
And what's more is that the
right brain, that's the part
that deals with the unconscious
and emotional experience, speaks
to the right brain of other
people.
Physically, in the tone of your
voice, in your affect, in your
facial expression.
It's our right brain that picks
up all of those things.
When we relate to each other, we
are always listening at a deeper
level, as well as to just the
words.
How we interpret speech is
affected by both sides of our
brain.
We pick up what's not said, how
we communicate underneath those
words.
This kind of makes me think of
gaslighting, how if someone
pretends nothing is wrong or
tries to convince themselves or
you that it's in your head and
you're crazy, we always
underneath know that that's not
right.
But because our left and right
brain gets so confused, we end
up doubting ourselves.
That's just human nature.
Living in the left brain more
results in under-regulation or
over-inhibition of the right
brain functioning.
We become blocked to our right
body, to emotion.
According to research, and I'm
not making this up, this shows
up much more in men.
I'm not here to politically
debate that.
So children raised by a left
brain usually can't get a sense
of their own core self or how to
relate with others from that
core self.
I'm just going to repeat here
that there are other influences
on how you behave.
Some of them you can skip a
generation, you can get them
from your grandparents, and some
are genetic.
Let's end on a summary of the
key concepts relevant to comfort
eating.
Our early regulation with others
is critical for being able to
regulate how we feel.
How we are held, supported, and
understood happens through
non-verbal communication,
unconsciously via right brain
communication.
Many binge or comfort eaters
didn't have good enough
mirroring, attention or caring
for.
So we expect this style of
relating that they learned to
repeat in relationship.
With comfort eating, this shows
up as avoidance and poor
emotional or state regulation.
Next week I'll talk about ways
that you can start to regulate
and recover from insecurities
that stem from your history.
But to be honest, any of my
podcasts deal with emotional or
self-regulation.
So have a listen to some of my
previous podcasts, particularly
ones around emotion.
Thank you so much for listening
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I also want to say something
about the groups that I run.
Often I hear from comfort eaters
that a group is the absolute
last thing that they would want
to do.
But it is actually the thing
that I would encourage you to do
the most because it starts to
create a healthy attachment
relationship where you learn to
be able to speak your real
authentic truth with people who
really understand it.
So please ask me about the group
and I'd be delighted to explain
something about it to you.
And as usual, I would love to
hear your comments and your
questions.
They shape what I do not only in
the podcast but in everything
that I teach.
So please do get in touch.
It's wonderful to hear from you.
Thanks again, and I'll see you
next Wednesday!