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Today I'm talking about how to
cope when you come out of a
relationship with someone you
kind of still are hooked on.
Hi, I'm Shelley Treacher from
Underground Confidence.
I help people with love
addiction as well as food
addiction.
Often these two come hand in
hand, which actually I'm going
to talk about next week.
But this week I'm talking about
if you're coming out of a
relationship with a covert
narcissist and you're realizing
that's who you've been in
relationship with and you really
need to rip the plaster off but
you feel kind of hooked on them,
addicted to them, this podcast
is for you.
But the tactics and the
techniques and the strategies
that I'm going to give you today
could also apply to any
addiction.
So for my comfort eating
recovery people, please stay
tuned.
This is going to be relevant to
you.
And I'm also going to make it
relevant to you.
I'll also be explaining how
these strategies apply to food
addiction.
As often I've done, I'm starting
with a quote from a client to do
with comfort eating, because
this is another common theme
that I see.
And another thing that I want to
show you you're not alone with.
So she says, I was aware of my
mum constantly watching her
weight.
She lost her excess weight in
her thirties and has been slim
ever since." I remember being
quite happy with how I looked
and happy with my weight at
around ten stone four and my mum
saying to me, you've only got to
lose your tummy.
This made me so angry." This is
such a typical thing that I hear
from clients.
Can you relate to this?
Does your mother say things
about your weight?
Or does somebody in your family
comment on how you look?
And has that changed everything
about how you felt?
So today, as I say, I'm talking
about how to cope when you feel
kind of hooked on another person
at the end of a relationship.
I told you a little bit about my
story with an ex who I dated for
a little while, who I now think
is covert narcissist.
Our relationship ended quite
abruptly with him dropping out
completely.
Don't get me wrong, I'm now
extremely grateful for that.
It could have gone on for far
too long.
Luckily, I arrived quite swiftly
at organically not wanting him
anymore.
But this wasn't without a swift
dose of addiction.
Because he had dropped out so
suddenly and because he had been
so nice in some ways.
The very first article that I
ever wrote was about
codependency and this dreadful
feeling of neediness.
So today's podcast is a much
more up to date version of that
article.
And so here I have ten
strategies that you can use when
you're feeling that
wretchedness.
Some of which I used to overcome
my craving and withdrawal.
Number one, recognise that
you're having an addictive
response.
This in itself is enormous.
If you've been listening to my
podcast, you'll know that I've
explained that.
When you are in an addiction,
when you're having a craving,
it's a fake dopamine hit that
you are trying to get.
It's no different with being
addicted to another person.
So the point of recognizing that
you're in an addictive response
is first of all that that's not
real It's not about something
that you actually want really
but second of all You're denying
yourself your natural source of
dopamine Stop and notice how
impulsive and wretched you feel
Remember that addiction comes
from fear and difficulty and
pain, usually from a core wound
that you've had for a long time.
So this is probably about your
history.
So looking after this part of
yourself is essential.
You might also want to be aware
that you probably have a
critical voice in your head that
says something like, he really
doesn't like you anymore." And
you probably have a child
emotional response to that.
You can also have a part of you
that's adult and mindful and can
look after you and tell you more
sensible things.
This part of you can direct you
to become excited and getting a
real dopamine hit from things
that you really do find fun.
This is not fun.
And this is something that needs
practice when you're feeling
this wretchedness.
And so for the comfort eaters
who are listening, you can see
how this might relate to you
too.
You can see the similarity
between looking outside of
yourself for comfort from a
person or looking outside of
yourself for comfort from food
or excitement.
And you can see that the
motivation to eat might also
relate to your wounding.
Number two, regain your self
worth.
Focus on your needs rather than
what the other person might be
thinking or feeling about you.
Notice that you might be upset
with that person for not wanting
you enough, and focus on wanting
yourself that much.
Know that the person you feel
dependent on is well, they're
the person in power right now,
and you're not feeling your own
personal power.
It's likely that if you gain
personal power again, the other
person will actually come
towards you and seem to want you
again.
But be aware of this dynamic and
the game that's going on here
and the fluctuating levels of
anxiety.
The best way to influence this
situation positively is to step
away and work out how to feel
good about yourself again.
List the characteristics that
you like about yourself.
You can also ask friends to list
all the things that they love
about you.
So again, you can see the
parallel with comfort eating.
Except here, the transferal of
power is to the food.
And I do hear very often that
people feel like they are out of
control of this situation.
But really, you are in control.
It is you choosing this.
So it's really going to stand
you in good stead to come back
to your self worth and work out
how you feel good about yourself
again.
Because it is highly likely that
something made you feel bad
about yourself and so then you
chose to turn to food.
Number three, get realistic
about the object of your
affection.
Recognize that this is probably
unrealistic to expect the other
person to fulfill this role
right now.
They cannot see you, especially
if they're a covert narcissist
and have no intention of seeing
you.
They are possibly wrapped up in
their own defensive response and
core wounding.
That's most likely, even with
the covert narcissist.
So it is possible that you might
be able to communicate further
down the line about all of this
disappointment and difficulty,
but in the case of a covert
narcissist, if they are likely
to deny their behaviour and put
down your feelings in response,
wait until you feel stronger
about the treatment you deserve
and the kind of relationship you
really want.
You've got to be assessing
whether this is possible with
this person.
Again, I can equate this to
comfort eating in terms of
getting realistic about what the
food is actually doing for you.
Really asking yourself what
you're doing here, what you're
satisfying, how it helps and how
it doesn't help.
I know for me, this is a
powerful one because when I want
to eat chocolate, I often remind
myself that it's not actually
going to make me feel any
better.
And that the problem I'm trying
to deal with with it is not
really gonna be affected so I
might as well work out the
problem and it is the same for
love addiction This person can't
help you with feeling good about
yourself.
Number four claim your
disappointments and your real
values and what gives you
meaning Identify with the fact
that you probably don't really
want this person.
This is not what you want
Realize and practice this when
you're not feeling codependent
when you're not in a toxic
addiction So that you can
remember it when you are you
might be feeling self blame this
also can be a little bit
addictive Because it keeps you
away from the ultimate fear of
being alone Because if you blame
yourself, there's still hope.
This one was a big one for me
with my covert narcissist.
over the days after he dropped
me completely, I realised that
we had both bought into a
fantasy pretty quickly.
I was a little bit hooked on
that fantasy for a while.
And it really occurred to me
that it's quite hard to make
yourself be realistic when the
fantasy is so compelling.
I also found it really hard to
believe that someone could be
that selfish and calculated.
This is a characteristic I see
in my clients quite often, and I
believe it's to do with shaking
loose the fantasy.
Partly.
I mean often my clients are
really nice people as well.
So the antidote for me was
realising that he wasn't so
great after all and didn't
really want an intimate
relationship, which is all I
really wanted.
And then after a while, it all
came back to me that actually,
before this had all happened,
before I'd got hooked on this
amazing treat that this guy was
giving me, I realised that I
found him boring.
Which explains why I hadn't
really found him attractive for
years.
And once I could see how self
obsessed he was, and the fact
that he seemed to need to get
one up on everybody, he became
even less attractive.
The reality was painful.
But it made me realise that I
had to take this addiction to
fantasy that I was having
seriously.
And the same can be said about
food.
You've really got to take it
seriously that you're addicted
to this substance.
And that you brainwash yourself
and blind yourself in all kinds
of ways in order to carry on.
Number five, stay with
discomfort.
I know this is your least
favourite one.
But, life is painful.
It is.
It just is.
The fear of feeling this pain
makes us go into our heads and
makes us turn to addictions.
So really, sooner or later,
you're gonna have to face that
pain.
I've described to you in the
past strategies for doing this,
but in basic it's staying with
your feelings and being really
kind to every single one of
them.
This might help you to shift the
experience from the immediate
situation of dependency and
withdrawal to where the feelings
actually come from.
You don't have to stay with this
processor all of the time, in
fact that's impossible.
You do need breaks and you can
trust that you will be
processing some of this in the
background anyway.
But for both eating and love
addiction.
It's going to be incredibly
empowering to you to show
yourself that you can work
through that emotion.
And then once you've done it
once, you know, you can do it
again and will survive.
As I say, I've done lots of
videos and podcasts on that.
If you need some guidance,
number six, know that it was
real for you.
Let other people have their own
feelings and experiences and own
yours.
If you felt a connection, it was
real.
I never knew, with my covert
narcissist, whether the
connection that he was
describing to me was real for
him or not.
And that did my head in for a
while.
The lies and the lack of empathy
made it so confusing.
But what I felt was an openness
to love.
It was real for me.
In moments.
That's what matters.
You opened your heart and
actually took the risk of loving
somebody, if that's what you
feel you did.
That says a lot about your
capacity.
And it's nothing to do with you
that they couldn't cope or
return it.
None of this makes you wrong or
the failure.
And you don't need anybody else,
or that person, to tell you that
it was real.
It is scary to do this, so
you're amazing if you can.
If you can feel vulnerable
without shutting down or any
other defensive strategy, you're
brave.
But emotional separation from
that person is key.
So...
Physically practice pointing at
a photograph or something that
belonged to that person and
saying,"that is them", and then
pointing to yourself, your heart
maybe, and saying,"this is me",
and repeating that.
Being able to see the other
person's response and reactions
without having to take that on
or to respond in any particular
way is perhaps the ultimate
goal.
Often with comfort eating,
emotional separation is in the
mix somehow.
Often I see the reason for
comfort eating is because
somebody felt bad about
something someone said or
something that you've perceived
that someone might have said,
some kind of judgment.
So emotional separation is real
here too.
None of you are reliant or need
to be reliant on anybody else to
tell you whether you're valid.
Number 7.
Reconnect with others.
You gotta notice that when
you're obsessed with somebody,
everybody else seems to fade
away.
Which means you're unavailable,
emotionally.
So start to remember when other
people, other hobbies, other
things that you used to do were
important to you.
Here's some suggestions.
Other people, friendship, your
career, work, real love, good
company, being kind, enjoying
activities and hobbies, your
home, appreciating being single,
freedom, cultures, travel,
humour, the unpredictability of
people and life.
If you start to practice
enthusiasm for these things, it
will take hold.
Sometimes you've got to fake it
till you make it.
All of these things can be
relevant to the comfort eater
too.
It's extremely important when
you're stuck in the obsession of
eating junk food in the evening
after work or stuffing your
feelings down.
It's important to try and
reconnect with things that make
you happy.
Comfort eaters can also be
incredibly self reliant.
So starting to reach out and get
support from others and from
other things that you can do is
not only going to take your mind
off the food, but will start to
shift and make you realize
what's important to you.
Number eight, face the fear of
being alone.
I'm laughing because this one's
not easy.
If you are afraid of being
alone, face this feeling and
make plans to become less
lonely.
There are lots of ideas on how
to do this on the net.
It is common that this is the
underlying feeling underneath
addiction, fear of being alone,
fear that this is all they'll
ever be for you, fear that you
just lost something and you're
never going to have a
replacement.
These are anxious thoughts and
they often come from the core
wound, but you really do need to
start putting energy into
enjoying your own company,
liking the person that you are
in company.
Or alone.
We're all alone, ultimately.
Do you actually know anyone
who's in relationship who
doesn't feel alone in some way?
The equivalent for comfort
eaters here is in stopping
eating the food.
I know there's a lot of fear
around what feelings might come
up.
And often again, this is also
about being alone.
But I guess the common thread is
what would you be left with if
you stopped chasing this
addiction?
This may not be one that you can
fix overnight, but it is the
only way to honor and respect
the person you are, which you're
going to need for both comfort
eating recovery and for having a
better relationship.
Number nine, learn to self
soothe and self regulate.
Make a list of non harmful
strategies for self soothing.
The suggestions I've got here
are spend time with people who
like you, spend time with people
or things that make you laugh,
phone a friend, go for a walk,
pamper yourself, do some
reading, do some listening,
listen to music, find time to
relax, watch a film, read
something that really interests
you, and all of my other
previous podcasts on strategies
and techniques on self
regulation.
I've literally given you scores
of these.
Actually going to try these
breathing techniques or
polyvagal exercises to calm your
nervous system down could really
shift you from a heightened
state of anxiety and addiction.
To a more objective, mindful
place, where you feel calmer.
Sometimes just trying to do one
of these things can help your
nervous system to relax.
But whether these exercises work
for you or not, it's still going
to be important for you to learn
internal self regulation.
Both with comfort eating
recovery, where you're in a
heightened state or a collapsed
state when you eat.
or with thinking about a person
that you want to hear from,
where you're going to be in an
anxiety state.
This one goes along with the
first one, where you're trying
to look inside yourself for the
comfort.
This is a skill that needs to be
learned and can be.
And finally, number 10, manage
compulsive thoughts.
Having recognized that you're in
the throes of an addiction,
watching what kind of thoughts
you have and stepping away from
them, even if you have to do
that a hundred times, it's still
going to be important.
You will eventually stop feeling
addicted.
Again, it's a kind of a case of
practicing it until you make it.
At first, those addictive
responses will be really strong,
but the more you let them go,
the more you'll get in the habit
of letting them go.
And then you'll become good at
that.
It takes practice.
There are things that you can do
like have a hairband around your
wrist or an elastic band and
snap it every time you have an
addictive compulsion to remind
you to stop thinking about that
and to focus your attention on
you instead.
You can see that the same would
be true here of comfort eating.
Ultimately, the strategy that
you need is to be able to change
your approach to investing in
people who can be there for you.
In becoming a little bit more
pragmatic.
Investing in those who have your
best interests at heart.
It's great to learn to express
yourself with someone, but
ultimately they've got to be a
good listener too.
The ultimate irony is that you
get the same high from actually
being cared about.
Although, as I said earlier,
this would be real dopamine.
Which the object of your
addiction probably wasn't and
didn't have your best interest
at heart.
So if you don't really believe
that it's his loss, where are
you anyway?
In summary, what I've talked
about today...
Is how to release yourself from
a toxic addiction to another
person.
I gave you 10 strategies that
you can try to bring yourself
back into power and feeling good
about yourself.
I also explained how these
strategies were relevant to
comfort eating recovery.
Next week I'm going to talk
about something called cross
addiction.
This is where you might have
more than one addictive
compulsion.
I sometimes, as I was growing
older, felt like I had addiction
in my blood and I hear people
say that they have addictive
personalities all the time.
So I'm going to talk about that.
But there will be a byte bonus
podcast this week on strategies
of coping with being in a
relationship with a narcissist
still.
And if you want help recovering
from one of the lesser talked
about addictions Like comfort
eating and being unable to let
someone go, Please check me out
on the app stores, on social
media and on the web,
Underground Confidence.
Thank you, this has been
Underground Confidence with
Shelley Treacher.
I will see you on Friday.