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SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Shelley
Treacher from Underground
Confidence.
As it's the end of the month, we
have another spotlight on
relationship.
This is the second part in a
two-part series about avoidance.
If you're in a relationship with
someone or you identify with
pulling away and needing space
in relationship, then these two
podcasts are for you.
But please do listen to the
first part first because it will
make sense of this part.
In the first part I talked about
what avoidance in relationship
is, where it comes from, and how
it's an avoidance of intimacy
and also a fear of dependency.
Today I'm going to be talking
more about how you can work with
this in relationship.
Of course, it's natural for us
to need space in relationship.
It's normal for us to come
together, be apart, come
together again.
But it's when the avoidance
causes a problem in the
relationship that it needs to be
worked with a little.
It's where it starts to become
more of a burden than an asset,
where we're less able to be
close to people, less able to
share intimacy or to attune to
each other.
This whole way of seeing things
forces us only to focus on
ourselves.
The person who's avoidant really
only becomes aware of their own
needs when they're away from the
relationship.
Because the trigger of being
afraid of being reliant on
somebody has been removed.
You'll often find that someone
with this kind of history might
feel attached to an ex a lot
more than others.
I know this has happened to me.
I think I've spoken before of
how I thought about my first
boyfriend for a very long time.
But it's a fantasy, and it stops
you getting close to people in
the present.
What happens in a relationship
with an avoidant person is that
the avoidant person will be so
scared about being relied upon
that they will see your needs as
something that you need to fix,
nothing to do with them.
They'll be very bad at picking
up your mental state or picking
up any emotional cues.
Well they may pick them up, but
they will be too scared of them
to do anything about it, so they
will have to look after
themselves.
Avoidance is a constant
suppression of the attachment
system in the brain.
And they rarely search inside
themselves for what the
dissatisfaction is in
relationship.
Sadly, though, until they look
inward, the change won't happen.
Sometimes this can be triggered
by severe loneliness or some
kind of trauma or accident that
can trigger wanting a change and
realizing what's important.
What the rest of this podcast is
about and something that I would
promote to you, is something
that I came to pretty late in
relationship myself.
For whatever reason, it's
something that's not really
talked about in our culture.
A good relationship is based on
helping your partner to regulate
their nervous system.
Not at the expense of yourself,
but with all the awareness and
knowledge that you can master.
The trick for avoidance to learn
is being able to shift from a
total sense of self and what's
going on with themselves and
their own stresses and strains
and difficulties and fears, to
being able to really fully be
able to see their partner.
That way you can shift to being
secure.
If you see it as your duty to
care for how the other person
feels, and you increase your
self-awareness of how you block
that, you can shift to not being
trapped by your insecurity.
First you need to identify how
you do the things that makes you
avoidant, how you push people
away, how you stop yourself from
being intimate.
How your negativity and your
critique of someone comes in
quickly.
Asking yourself repeatedly
whether what you're doing, what
your impulsive response to back
away is, asking if that's your
attachment's insecurity.
You can also remind yourself
that you do need intimacy.
If you were excited about
somebody when you first had a
date with them, when you were
first getting to know them,
remember that.
You have had a lot to lose by
pushing someone away.
Your job really is to up being
able to rely on somebody else,
mutual support, and
de-emphasizing self-reliance.
You might also need to be aware
that you misinterpret behavior.
For example, if someone
expresses that they miss you and
they want to spend time with
you, it doesn't mean they want
you to stop doing everything
else that you do.
It doesn't necessarily mean that
they want to invade you.
Keeping on top of gratitude is a
good idea here.
You could write a relationship
gratitude list and remind
yourself of it daily.
Things like noticing what your
partner does that makes you
happy is really important to
remember, and noticing their
positive attributes that you
like.
You could list how your partner
contributed to your well-being
and to you being grateful about
life.
When looking for the one, you
really have to be an active
partner in this, and what that
means is making whoever you're
with special as a part of you,
getting close to them in the
moment.
Always looking for the one,
maybe another avoidance tactic.
You could make the person you're
with your soulmate just by
getting close to them and
understanding them.
And remember that distraction
helps.
If you're in a relationship with
an avoidant, you might want to
provide distraction, or if you
are avoidant, plan yourself
around activities.
This might help you to let your
guard down and to allow more
loving.
Apparently, and actually I've
seen this happen with my clients
and in my own life, when the
attachment stuff is dropped,
when the insecurity and the
defensiveness is not so much of
an issue anymore, we allow
ourselves to become more loving,
more intimate, more successful
and more happy in life, because
we look outward more.
Together in relationship, you
can remind each other of secure
experiences.
I have an arrangement with my
partner.
My primary way of communicating
is verbal, as you might be able
to tell.
His is not, his is physical.
It took us a long time to work
it out, but we now play to each
other's strengths.
If I'm feeling insecure, I will
ask him to tell me whether he's
been thinking about me, and he
thankfully always says he has.
Which calms my verbal need down.
And then I remember the uh
intimacy that we have physically
together, which helps me to feel
understood, listened to, paid
attention to, and loved.
It's not easy when you're
dating, and it's not easy when
you first start getting to know
somebody, and it's not
necessarily easy if you've been
in a relationship for a long
time with somebody, not really
knowing how to do relationship,
particularly if you've had an
insecure childhood in some way.
It's not easy to try to calm
each other's nervous system
down.
It's difficult to calm your own
down, never mind somebody
else's.
But that is the key to be able
to work out what makes you feel
insecure, what makes you feel
like you have to defend
yourself, and to understand that
your partner probably has
something like that too.
If you look at the relationships
that other people have in your
life, the good relationships,
the secure relationships, how do
they behave towards each other?
And could you emulate that?
You can also see this in the way
that we relate to pets or the
way that pets relate to us.
We let animals get away with a
hell of a lot more than we let
human beings get away with.
Well I know that's true for me
anyway.
Something to get curious about,
I mentioned last week, is to
inquire as to what shuts you
down and what opens you up.
What makes you tick in
relationship?
Look at your past and your
current relationships from an
attachment perspective.
How can you see that it comes
into play here?
The way being able to become
more secure works is that
there's a part of our brain that
disrupts a memory when we
remember it.
So we recall something and then
we edit it.
That's just naturally happens in
our brains in the present.
So viewing things from an
attachment lens means that you
can start to change the beliefs
that you made at that time.
If you've got an unhelpful
belief like I mustn't rely on
anybody, that's going to put me
in real trouble, you can change
that.
An exercise you can try is
listing all of your exes from an
attachment perspective.
See what your reactions were and
what their reactions were and
where that might have come from
in an attachment history
perspective.
Particularly look at how you
might have lost out because of
your reactions.
What you might need to know if
you are an ambivalent person in
a partnership with boyfriend,
girlfriend who is avoidantly
attached and who seems not to
care whether they hear from you
or not.
Or you might want to consider
this if you are the person who
seems not to care very much.
Things might be a little bit
different for you or for that
person.
They might not be okay without
you, you might not be okay
without your girlfriend,
partner, boyfriend, despite your
protest, or despite their
protest.
Eating habits might be
different, sleeping habits might
change, and the avoidant person
might go back to addictive
behaviours or compulsions,
something like eating, but also
alcohol and all the other things
that show up.
This person might think that
they're fine, but they might be
behaving slightly differently.
I would encourage you, if you're
in a relationship with an
avoidant person, to boldly
assume that that person is
missing you.
Like I said with my partner,
I've assumed that he's not
thinking about me because he
doesn't tell me.
But actually once we broach the
subject, he said, I think about
you all day.
He just doesn't tell me because
he's not verbal.
So now he calms my nervous
system down by telling me.
What I try to do for him is
relate affectionately towards
him, especially when I know that
he's triggered.
That way we're trying to meet
each other in our respective
love languages.
I also try boldly assuming that
he misses me, even when my
belief system tells me the
opposite.
And I know that when we can do
this, when we can break through
the defensiveness or the
triggering, or the feeling like
we need to defend ourselves, or
feeling scared, or feeling
abandoned, or feeling invaded,
when we can break through all of
that and recognize that the
other of us needs something to
calm us down so that we can get
back into a loving connection,
the rewards are tremendous,
really worth it.
I believe both of us get a lot
of satisfaction from this.
Because neither of us are wrong
in this scenario, and love is
allowed to thrive.
I'll just add as a caveat here,
if you're single and you're
dating someone who actually
doesn't seem to have the
willingness to work this kind of
thing out with you, drop 'em.
It's never gonna work.
There has to be a mutual
interest to prioritize the
relationship.
No matter how avoidant somebody
gets, they will let you know if
they're invested in having a
relationship with you.
And so will you, if you're
avoidant.
What really counts in the end is
the ability to be there for each
other.
We all want to feel safety and
acceptance.
In childhood it's one-sided,
where in adulthood we make a
deal with each other, to uphold
a sense of safety and security
for each other.
That's the point of
relationship.
So start asking each other about
your childhoods, about things
that might still affect you.
Start learning the signs of when
your partner is triggered.
The worst thing that you can do
is to ignore that cue.
But if you can recognize it, you
can quickly change your voice,
your tone of voice, to modulate
the response.
Your tone of voice can activate
or deactivate a triggering.
For real success in a
relationship, you've got to
learn to soothe your partner's
vulnerabilities, as well as your
own.
It's worth mentioning here that
that triggering, that dynamic
that happens between you, or
that happens to so many people,
so many of us I should say,
there is no way not to take it
personally with a difficult
attachment history or an
insecure attachment history.
It's instinctive and it's wired
to respond that way.
But you can reduce the gap
between your response and your
reaction over time.
But really, you need to
recognize the flooding when the
system is flooded first.
What I've talked about today is
about being able to look inward
when you're feeling distant or
avoidant.
Having a look at what might have
triggered you into that state.
I talked about regulating each
other's nervous systems and
shifting away from a self-view
to a view of the other and of
relationship.
Understanding that you might
push that away if you're feeling
insecure.
I've said that what counts is
the ability to be there for each
other.
I've also talked about how our
attachment can't be changed
completely, can't be changed to
the experience that we've had,
but our attachment styles are
changeable, we can learn new
skills.
Coupling has been our primary
social construct since life
began.
What I feel is that good
relationship improves everything
in life.
It improves every social
structure.
From the lives of our children
to society.
If you want further help with
understanding your part in the
dynamic you have in your
relationships, I'd love to help.
Please check out my Calling in
the One programme on my website,
Bristolcounselling.co.uk.
I will now be on holiday for the
next couple of weeks.
Hooray! This is my first trip
abroad since the whole COVID
thing began, so I can't tell you
how excited I am about that.
But it is unfortunate that there
are so many bank holidays and my
holiday now, because I do the
podcast on Mondays usually, and
I now don't have time to do that
again until the middle of May.
But the quick tips, the podcast
bite series to help you with
comfort eating recovery will
still be past your way.
So keep an eye out for those.
Meanwhile, I hope you're
enjoying the bank holiday season
if that's what's happening in
your country, or at least I hope
you're looking forward to a
break at some point soon.
Thank you so much for listening
today.
I'll see you soon, I hope.
This is Underground Confidence
with Shelly Treachery.