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SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Shelly
Treacher from Underground
Confidence.
Today I'm talking about what
some people call imposter
syndrome.
The reason I say some people is
because we're going to reframe
this phrase today.
But the part that I'm sure many
comfort eaters can relate to is
having to keep a part of
yourself hidden and feeling like
you might be a fraud in some
way.
The fear of being found out
even.
Found out to be not as good as
other people might think you
are.
Like everything that I talk
about on these podcasts, this is
a really familiar human
experience.
And it's also something that you
can't actually talk yourself out
of, but you can understand it
very differently.
Social media contributes
massively to this in our
culture.
We imagine that everybody else
has a perfect life, and people
present themselves as having
something perfect.
But the antidote to imposter
syndrome is actually real
connection.
But let's start taking this bit
by bit.
First let's start looking at
what's behind imposter syndrome.
The basic message is that we're
not good enough.
The fear is that you don't fit
the image that you think you
should fit, that someone in your
position should fit by now.
The hurt underneath this will be
previous failures.
For example, something that came
from family pressure, or some
other imagined view that others
have of us.
So something to start
understanding is how you shaped
your self-worth.
You can listen to my podcasts on
self-worth to understand a bit
more about that.
But you can also investigate
what someone actually does in
your position and what it's like
to be them.
But I know it's impossible to
feel that you're doing a really
good job when you don't feel
like you are doing a really good
job.
It's impossible to hear someone
else say you're amazing, and for
you to believe that, what you're
more likely to think is, are
they talking about me?
Or to gloss over that piece of
information altogether and
completely deny it.
I had an amazing friend once,
and she really was amazing.
She was a specialist in her
particular field, and she was
always in demand to be speaking
in the media, speaking on
television about this particular
subject.
And she wrote and she spoke and
she made a lot of money out of
this.
But she never ever fell up to
the task.
She was always saying, I'm
really nervous about doing so
and so, because what if I'm just
no good?
And every time I saw her, she
literally blew my mind with how
good she was.
But she can't be told.
She couldn't be told.
And I'm sure you can't either.
This is the voice of self-doubt.
It may not be true what this
voice is saying, but you believe
it.
For example, maybe they think
I'm boring.
This is a really common one that
comes up in your mind
automatically.
In most of our minds when we're
talking.
I feel like this all the time
talking on my podcast, and it
may it may be boring to some
people, but it's not to me.
The thinking of imposter
syndrome is that you have to be
an expert before you've even
started something, before you
even know how to do it.
Again I can relate to this.
My podcast started a year and a
half ago, and I would never have
ad-libbed in the way that I do
now, but I really thought that I
should be able to.
I can see now with the journey
that I've taken for a year and a
half that there's no way I'd be
able to just talk off the cuff
in the way that I can now.
Because I've become a bit more
of an expert.
I've I've got into my groove of
being able to speak, which I
really had to learn.
But the voice was there.
Why would they want to listen to
me?
What have I got to tell anyone?
This has all been said before.
You can see how imposter
syndrome affects performance.
So imposter syndrome is about
feeling we don't belong.
So it's important to look at how
that developed for us in the
first place.
For most of us that developed in
the attachment that we had to
our caregivers, but also in
society.
When lots of my clients come in
having a similar experience, it
shows a societal thing.
And people do come in often with
a sense of whether they belong,
wondering whether they fit in.
You can see my shame podcast to
understand some of the
background to that as well.
We wonder whether we are
accepted.
And this may actually always be
a struggle for us.
But one of the interesting
things about imposter syndrome
is that it comes up when we
start being seen.
We may have been told in society
or in childhood that we're not
supposed to be seen.
And if we have, part of us may
have been split off so that we
now pretend that we're not who
we are.
The way I see this most commonly
occur is in feeling too
sensitive, in somehow getting
the message that being
emotional, being vulnerable, is
weak, or is undesirable, is
unattractive.
Definitely a bad idea.
So most of my comfort eaters
have learnt to hide their
emotions and their experiences
and have become not very
expressive.
It's a form of internalized
oppression that's been inherited
from somewhere.
Add to this that we might also
never feel enough because of
society, because we're female,
we are of a certain colour,
we're gay.
You get the picture.
And for many of the people
listening, because we feel we
should be a certain weight, and
certainly get treated as if we
should.
And so here is where triggering
gets involved, where your
nervous system has a response,
where imposter syndrome can be
viewed as a dysregulated
survival state.
Again where you start to hide
who you really are, because in
some way that's safer.
Imposter syndrome can contribute
to a dissociative state, as for
example standing in front of a
group of people and talking.
All of this happens when your
narrative, the story that you
learned, has not developed, and
now you it's outdated and is not
in line with your adult
development.
So of course you can see what
the remedy might start to be.
As I've heard from Lynn Lyons,
being successful is not being
free of self-doubt.
Like I said earlier, you can't
defeat or argue with self-doubt
or imposter syndrome.
You can start to educate
yourself on what the factual
evidence actually is of your own
self-worth.
You can start to value the
effort that you make, the
sincerity that you have with it,
the intention that you have, and
the fact that you're getting
better and better at this all
the time.
Those are the things to start
focusing on.
Establishing a realistic view of
what you're actually good at,
and maybe facing what you're not
good at.
As one of my clients said
recently, and this is actually
the same client that I quoted
last week, she said we all have
these kinds of thoughts.
It doesn't have to stop us.
As children, we learn by getting
pushed out of our comfort zones.
We do the things that we don't
know how to do yet, and we carry
on doing this for the rest of
our lives.
I've recently taken up running,
and boy is it hard.
I've never done it before, and
certainly not to any extent.
I am up to 20 minutes at the
moment, but it took me a long
time to get here, and I did feel
really out of my depth to begin
with.
I still find it really
difficult, and I hate doing it,
but I'm also getting the rewards
of finding that my stamina is
increasing, and I have these
muscles in my legs which I've
never had before.
It feels really good.
And that's realistic, isn't it?
We can't be good at something
before we're good at it.
And we can't expect ourselves to
live up to the expectations that
we have of ourselves.
Where does that even come from?
I recently heard Kelly
McGonagall speaking about Parker
Palmer.
He described it as normal for
anyone who's ambitious to change
the world or to help in some way
to feel like they're not living
up to their ideal of what they
really believe is possible.
That's quite a lot of us.
99% of life apparently is in
this tragic gap that will never
ever close.
I talk about high achievers
quite a lot because comfort
eaters often are high achievers.
Someone with imposter syndrome
is also a high achiever and very
likely to get burnouts.
Because really they're spending
a lot of time trying to prove
that they are who they aspire to
be, when really they already
are.
So like I said, connection, real
connection, might be the way to
start thinking about this.
Perhaps start thinking about who
you actually want to be in the
change that you're trying to
make.
What about really connecting
rather than trying to be better
than somebody else?
Maybe start treating it as
valuable information, something
to embrace rather than to deny.
This is where growth actually
is.
It's part of your work.
It's information about trying to
do something you've never done
before.
That's not to say that you
should ignore that it's been
triggering.
It might be helpful to recognise
that this is a traumatic
response and to be compassionate
about that, particularly by
following how your nervous
system is responding physically,
sensationally.
Then you can start to explore
what might happen if you
deserved to be recognized.
What might that be like?
If you were successful, what
might happen?
And if the response is fear,
then you know that this is a
protector.
A way to start to change that is
to help regulate your nervous
system.
So you to help identify what
triggers you off in the first
place, what makes you feel
something is dangerous enough
for you to need to protect
yourself, and then taking in
some new information where you
calm yourself down by
connecting, by looking in the
eyes of somebody, by putting
your hand on your heart, by
sighing, by saying, That was
then, but this is now.
I'm an adult now.
Things are different.
Creating a new story from a
calm, empowered place.
Have you acknowledged that you
have an impact on other people?
That you might co-regulate
others or co-regulate with them.
Your body needs to take this in.
As long as you're authentic, you
can't actually be an imposter.
And this means making yourself
available to others.
This is the key for everything
at the moment that I'm talking
about, I think.
Being safe with others.
You can't be an imposter.
The imposter was a way to
interact from not feeling safe.
The idea that you have that you
might be a fake of some kind is
not a fact.
It's a belief coming from
memories of inadequacy.
Where doing and busyness mask
this feeling to cope with it.
Learning how to express what
that belief is, that where it
comes from, what it feels like,
it gives the attention to that
part of you, that inner child.
And so then transformation is
possible.
You might have a belief like
life is hard work, or I have to
give double in order to receive
support.
You're naming it here and
reframing it as a defensive
response.
Like I said about my friend,
with imposter syndrome, we
invalidate what others think of
us and we cannot possibly hear a
compliment.
So to start doing something
differently, to start pushing
yourself slightly out of your
comfort zone, ask how other
people see you and listen to
what they say, and see if you
can let your body take it in.
Or use this as an investigation
to be curious about what happens
when someone compliments you.
Apart from anything else, often
comfort eaters come to see me
and they say that they don't
know who they are.
You can start to understand why
with imposter syndrome.
So again, asking others how they
see you might be really
interesting.
You are someone to other people.
Another idea I heard recently
for discovering who you are is
to just decorate a small piece
of your home just for you.
Without the perfectionism of
imposter syndrome.
Do you put yourself into
projects too much?
Do you work all night?
Do you not respond to other
things?
Do you not eat?
This is not the attitude that
I'm asking you to take on in
discovering yourself.
This is the imposter again, this
is the protector.
So the idea is to just look at
the look at your house, look at
this area of your house that
you're going to decorate, and
just do it however it makes you
feel happy.
If you want to do it for two
minutes one day, that's right
for you.
If you want to spend an hour on
it but it feels good, that's
right for you.
And start to notice that when it
becomes tiring, when the shoulds
start to come in, when the
perfectionism starts.
Often the people who come to me
describe themselves as lazy.
They often feel that they're
lazy because that's the social
stigma that we've got attached
to comfort eating.
But my experience is the
absolute opposite.
Comfort eaters work too hard.
So my question to you would be:
how do you do slightly less?
If you're going to take on this
project of decorating something
for yourself so that you can
discover who you are, how can
you do less?
This is a nice little step that
you can take towards a realistic
goal, where curiosity is
possible.
Replace doing with curiosity
about what you're doing.
Here's an interesting little
exercise that I've heard about.
Let's do this one together.
Without going into too much
depth, just see what your
answers are to the following
questions.
Do you like toast?
How do you feel about rain?
What about rock music?
Now see what happens in you if I
say, No, I'm sorry, you're you
just can't be allowed to have
that feeling.
You can't be allowed to feel
that way.
This is what the imposter
syndrome is doing all the time.
If you keep trying this every
time you put yourself down for
feeling something or doing
something, you're gonna get the
picture that the oppressor
really can't control what you
feel and think.
You can try and use this when
trying to accept those
compliments I was talking about
earlier.
As Michael Yapko said, if
somebody wants to think you're
wonderful, let them.
If somebody wants to think
you're sexy, let them.
If somebody wants to think
you're really good at what you
do, let them.
You don't have to agree, you
don't have to understand it, you
just have to accept it.
If someone else you love did
what you do, what would you
think of them?
And what advice would you give
them?
It wouldn't be to speed up and
try more, would it?
It would be to slow down and
take a break because they're
already fantastic.
This brings me to the end of
today's podcast.
Today I've talked about how
feeling inadequate lies behind
imposter syndrome.
I've talked about how this can
come from a past belief system
that you were brought up with or
that you learnt earlier on in
life.
So we can describe imposter
syndrome as a trauma triggering
and also something that upsets
your nervous system.
I've normalized imposter
syndrome as something that we
all have because we all want to
fit in.
So this can also be understood
as a self-protection mechanism.
I've offered that the way out is
to become more authentic and
connected, and to get realistic
about what our real limitations
and inadequacies might be, as
well as our things that we do
well.
And I've suggested that we learn
to see ourselves the way other
people see us, or at least to
challenge what comes up in us
when we contemplate that.
I've also talked a little bit
about my imposter syndrome in
producing this podcast.
To that end, and this might help
you with your view of yourself.
I can only offer you.
I can't decide what you do with
this offering.
I can only know that I made the
best contribution that I could
do today.
And that's how I'd encourage you
to learn to think of yourself.
If I can help you with that,
then please join one of my
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ever felt like this list of
feelings?
I would love to hear your
response to that.
Next week, I'll be giving you a
reminder about how the
self-critic works because this
is such a huge component of
being a comfort eater, and I
know it takes repetition to
really get a handle on this.
Thank you so much for listening
today.
I'll see you next Wednesday.
This is Shelley Treacher from
Underground Confidence.