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SPEAKER_00: Hey, welcome to
Overeating Recovery.
Do you feel compelled to overeat
but wish that you could stop?
Or perhaps you know that your
emotions drive your eating, but
you don't know what to do about
it.
In these podcasts, I talk about
the side of overeating that
nobody really talks about.
The emotional and psychological
side.
There are reasons why you can't
stop eating, and that's what we
explore here.
Here, I'll support you on your
journey to stopping binge eating
altogether.
This podcast is produced
fortnightly, and I am your host,
Shelley Treacher.
Welcome.
One of the most common things
that I see are people who
overeat at a certain time of
day.
Commonly in the evening, but it
could be at any time of day.
So this is what I want to talk
about today.
But first let's talk about what
it is that defines the different
periods.
A while ago I produced a series
of quick video tips about
understanding comfort eating.
One of the comments I received
was about how to reduce eating
badly after work.
The person who left the comments
spoke of feeling fine all day,
but then as soon as she finishes
work, she just can't stop
eating.
And I hear that a lot.
So so many people have this
experience of not thinking about
food all day, but then as soon
as they finish work, or stop
whatever it is that they were
absorbed in doing during the
day, they just can't stop
eating.
This isn't exclusively reserved
for the people who are working
all day.
You might be a stay-at-home mum
or a self-employed artist who
has had so much to do in the day
and you got absorbed in that
that you didn't think so much
about food.
But then when you stopped, you'd
have the same experience as
people who have been working all
day and hit the food.
Or you might be on a different
schedule to this, but you still
find that it's when you stop
that you overeat.
Of course, with COVID-19,
everything may be so much more
extreme because we're now having
to be very self-guided about
when we finish our work, as
there's very loose boundaries
between work and home at the
moment for most of us.
So your eating habits might have
changed along with this.
But is there still a time of day
or a time of the week when you
stop doing something and start
eating?
The first thing to notice here
is that you transition from one
state to another.
So it's important to understand
both states and how you
transition.
So today I'm going to lead you
through a five-step process to
help you understand what's going
on so that you can slow down,
rebalance, challenge your habits
around food and overeating at a
certain time, and address what
it is that you might really
need.
So the first one is
understanding your evening
eating habits or whenever it is.
Evening overeating, or whenever
it is, is a habit in itself.
It may also be surrounded by
other little habits or patterns
of thought, so get to know what
habits you have around it.
What reasons do you tell
yourself for binge eating after
work?
Are you telling yourself it's a
reward after a hard day's work?
Or you might be telling yourself
that there's nothing else that
you could do.
Or that you need to relax, so
your food is the way to do that.
And just observe the logistics
of how you make sure that this
is what you'll do every day or
at the habitual time when you do
this.
When do you buy the food?
Do you put your PJs on when you
get home?
Do you tidy up first?
Do you turn your phone off?
Is it after dinner that you
binge?
Or is it when you sit in front
of the TV?
Just get to know your own habits
and your own ways of thinking.
And then the second stage is
what state are you in?
And this is what you need to ask
yourself: what state are you in
during the time when you're not
overeating?
So in the period when you're
busy or in the period when
you're not busy?
It could be could work both ways
for different people.
Different people are different.
But in general, here I think I'm
talking about people who are
really busy and then they start
overeating.
During a working day or in the
time before you binge eat,
during the time when you're not
binge eating, what state are you
actually in?
Is it that you're content at
work and then unhappy in the
evening, or uncomfortable in the
day and then need to relax at
night?
Or your version of this?
Often people who overeat in the
evening eat very little during
the day, in my experience.
I could be not talking about
everyone here, but a lot of
people do follow this pattern
and just see if you do.
And because they're not eating
much, they're thinking, Great,
I've done really well today, and
I probably won't put on weight,
and I know I'm going to eat in
the evening or at the weekend,
so I'm fasting now to balance it
out.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really
work like that.
And as we saw in the last
podcast, if you heard that, if
there are periods of fasting,
the opposite is actually true.
The body thinks it's starving,
so it's desperate for fuel and
is more likely to store weight
and make you eat more.
It's possible that in the time
of an absence of food, you're
also not actually getting the
nutrition that you need and that
your body needs.
So you might be setting yourself
up for a binge in more ways than
one.
Challenging your habits and
rebalancing your metabolism are
two important keys to tackling
binge eating in the evening.
So ask yourself in the daytime
or in the working week, what
emotional state are you in?
What physical state are you in,
and what energetic state are you
in?
This is going to take some
thought and some practice at
observing yourself in the week,
or you might actually know the
answer straight away.
One of the states you might be
in is a stress state.
Especially now, when we have so
little normal social contact or
community to help us
co-regulate.
And we need that.
It's possible that fasting in
the day and binge eating at
whatever time of day happen in
the same way, with very little
regard for your needs, very
little pleasure, and in a
frantic rush.
So now I'm going to take you
through some signs to know how
to recognise that you might be
in a stress state.
You might actually be in a minor
or major state of fight or
flight or freeze as you're going
about your daily business.
So here's some things to look
out for to say that you might be
in a little bit of a stress
state.
A.
Is your breathing shallow?
B check your temperature.
Are you having hot or cold
sweats?
Are your feet cold or your hands
cold?
C, do you have any tension in
your body?
And of course the answer is yes.
We all have tension at some in
somewhere in our bodies, but
check the tension in your body.
You might want to check your
jaw.
Often we're running around our
work days with a jaw clamped
shut and with gritted teeth.
Is that you?
Check your shoulders.
Are they up by your ears?
Are your legs tense?
Or are your arms tense?
And what about your belly?
Are you holding your belly in
all day long?
D, check your heart and your
breathing rate.
Is your heart beating really
fast?
Are you rushing?
And do you get out of breath or
breathe really shallowly?
E, are you starting to get
irritable?
And I've gotta say, I found that
a lot of people are getting
irritable in the third week of
number two lockdown.
And with the situation as it is,
a lot of people are finding it
hard not to get irritable.
So you know, count yourself as a
normal person if you are getting
irritable at the moment.
And it just might be a sign of
stress.
So just check.
If somebody says to you, could
you just do this one more thing
for me?
Do you want to bite the head
off?
Because you've done a million
things already and you've got a
ton of other things to do.
All of these are really normal
responses.
Most of us are going through our
working life with these symptoms
all day long, but they are signs
that our bodies are in distress.
You've heard these phrases
before, fight, flight, freeze.
But what do they actually mean?
Fight is characterized by the
irritation, tension, heat in the
body.
Freeze, you might feel numb,
cold, or have cold sweat.
You might be very still and not
want to move much.
Or with flight, you might have a
cold sweat and rushing with your
heart beating fast and your
breathing being shallow.
So you hear these phrases all
the time.
They kind of pop psychology now,
right?
But so what they actually mean
though, and this is quite a
revelation in a way, they mean
that your system detects a
threat.
It detects that something is
threatening and it's responding
to that as if it were a threat
to your life.
So your system starts to shut
down in all other areas.
Your digestive system starts to
slow down, your breathing starts
to change and get more shallow,
your heart rate starts to speed
up, as you get an adrenaline
rush, and you actually get more
sensitive around your eyes and
your sight and your hearing.
This ought to make you more
sensitive to what you need to
respond to the threat with.
And all these systems start to
change automatically.
There's nothing you can do about
it.
It's a physiological response to
threat.
And that's pretty dramatic,
don't you think, for just
another day at work?
You go into a
fight-flight-freeze threat cycle
where you perceive that
something is not safe, so your
system tries to do something to
make you feel safer, or to
respond to the threat.
That's not really quite right,
is it, just to spend every
working day like that?
You've got to start to wonder
what the cost of that is even
without the binge eating.
How can that be good for you?
So going through this every
single day, no wonder you might
be tired and look forward to a
break at the end of the day or
at the weekend.
And as I said, that comes with
its own difficulties at the
moment.
So that's step two.
Work out what state you're
actually in at work, or when
you're looking after the kids,
or during the week, or at the
weekend, whenever it is that
you're not or not feeling that
you need to eat.
The thing you do before you eat.
And by the way, the situation
can also be reversed.
If you're someone who eats more
all day long but doesn't eat at
the weekend, chances are it's
because your states have shifted
just in the opposite way.
It's still a good idea to work
out what state you shifted from
to and why.
How were you at work and how are
you at the weekend?
So let's move on to number
three.
What's the purpose of that
state?
You kind of need to understand
what you're in that state for
and where it came from.
When you're in the state you're
in before you stop working or
doing, what's the reason for
that state?
Why are you actually in that
state?
If you're in a stress state at
work, what's causing you to
rush?
Or to make you do all the to-do
things in the day, in the way
that you do them, in the state
that you do them in?
What is that state doing for
you?
What would you be left with if
you didn't do that?
How is it trying to help you or
protect you?
If you ask compassionately,
you're going to get answers more
than if you ask in a demanding
way.
So ask compassionately.
What is it trying to do?
One of the reasons you might be
doing this is that you might be
addicted to productivity.
This is a massive thing in our
culture.
There's actually a chemical
released in our brain that when
you do something productive
makes you feel good.
So you might be addicted to
productivity.
This is your physiological
system again, and the chemical
saying I need more of this
productivity to feel good.
Does that sound familiar?
That's a lot like sugar or junk
food, or any other drug for that
matter.
You can see this is another
pattern of thinking or a habit.
You're brainwashing yourself
into thinking productivity is
amazing.
The best thing that you can do
to make yourself happy, maybe
even the only thing you can do.
But it's exhausting, isn't it?
Another reason for being busy is
being afraid to stop, which in
itself deserves compassionate
understanding.
I imagine this is quite a common
one at the moment.
Stopping and bearing discomfort
is hard, and we choose not to do
it.
I had a client last week
actually told me that there was
an experiment done where people
could either choose to stop and
feel, or they could have an
electric shock.
Every single one of them chose
the electric shock, so that
really tells us something about
humanity.
But unfortunately, for you,
sooner or later, to overcome
overeating, you're gonna have to
stop.
I'll be talking about this more
in the coming weeks.
Another reason is to try to
please people.
This is a really common one for
people who overeat, at least I
see this every day anyway.
People worry what others think
of them.
Maybe you're comparing yourself
to everybody else and thinking
that you have to work really
hard, otherwise everybody else
is going to think really badly
of you, because everybody else
is doing much, much more than
you.
That's probably not even the
case.
But this is a really hard one.
I had a client recently who
realized that her true story was
she suddenly said, So basically,
I'm just afraid of getting told
off.
Can you relate to that?
Not many of us handle getting
told off very well.
We don't like any kind of
criticism or to feel like we're
in people's bad books.
As a nation in the UK, we are
notoriously avoidant of any kind
of confrontation.
But most of the time we are
imagining that we will be told
off.
So it's a good thing to identify
as a trigger for you.
You may want to watch out for
your self-critic.
Somewhere behind most stressed
out people is the self-critic.
So identify what the critic is
saying about how you should run
your day.
That's gonna help you say,
actually, I think I'm gonna slow
down for a bit, because that's
gonna be better for me.
So let's move on to number four.
Once you've worked out what
state you're in and you've
worked out why, you need to work
out the purpose of the binge.
So start asking, alright, so I
was uncomfortable in the day or
I was stressed out in the day or
I felt criticized in the day and
I felt really horrible towards
myself.
So what am I doing in this
binge?
It's actually quite obvious
really, isn't it, if you think
about it?
If you're feeling awful about
yourself and you've been running
all day long, you're gonna need
to let go at the end of the day.
Maybe you feel you had too much
responsibility in the day, and
now you need to let it go.
Binge eating, comfort eating, or
indeed any other kind of
addiction like alcohol, watching
television, or surfing the net,
your purpose is to let go and to
feel better.
Some light relief, especially
right now.
And it does work, it kinda
works, it does give you a bit of
a hit for a short period of
time.
So this is the next thing to
understand.
You're trying to achieve a
certain physical state or a
certain emotional well-being.
Unfortunately though, the
substance doesn't really work
for long.
Of course it also makes you feel
worse by the end of the day or
by tomorrow, or actually even
sometimes instantly.
So you need something else.
So that's where number five
comes in, and this is really
where the healing is at.
Number five, in order to really
recover from binge eating or any
habitually addictive behaviour
that's helping you to manage how
you feel, sooner or later you're
gonna have to start asking
yourself about your real needs,
and to work out how to
prioritize yourself.
What is it that you really need?
This can range from physical to
emotional to energetic to life
goals.
So let's start with the
physical.
Are you actually ignoring your
physical needs?
Often I found that people who
binge eat are people who put
others' needs ahead of their
own, so they don't even meet
their own physical needs in the
day.
So it's a really good one to
check out for yourself.
Are you going to the toilet at
the right time or do you put it
off?
Are you giving yourself a drink
of water when you're thirsty?
Are you putting a jumper on if
you're cold?
Do you take your jumper off if
you're too hot or do you just
keep going?
So just notice, are you meeting
your own physical needs?
The recovery from binge eating
is a gradual process of
understanding what you feel and
responding with less harmful
strategies.
So emotionally, how are you
meeting your needs?
This is always a good question
to ask, even if you don't binge
eat.
Does what you're doing serve the
purpose you really need it to
serve?
Does it serve you or does it
harm you?
When you eat on autopilot
because you're tired, what would
really help you to rest?
When you eat to let go and
relax, what would really help
you to relax?
Does the food even do that?
What really brings light relief
to you?
Is it conversation?
A cuddle with a teddy bear or
your dog?
Or is it just something funny?
We're not really getting much of
a laugh these days, are we apart
from being plugged into the
television?
How could you have more pleasure
in your life?
So all of this stuff I'm telling
you is not a quick fix.
This is something that if you
address will help you to make
powerful changes little by
little over time.
It's actually really a way of
life.
Often people who overeat have
not been taught how to or even
if it's okay to enjoy life.
I know this is really hard right
now because it's limited how we
can enjoy our lives, but the
first thing to notice is that
you might not even feel it's
okay to prioritize that.
A lot of people who come to me
think it's selfish to focus on
their own enjoyment.
Is this you?
Do you feel that doing something
just for the sake of doing it
would be overindulgent or too
frivolous?
That's just pleasure in life.
You're not just allowed to have
that, it's actually where most
meaning in life develops.
Otherwise, what's the point in
this life?
Is it to work frantically and
then to zone out for the rest of
the day, or vice versa?
Life is about pleasure.
We're pleasure-seeking
creatures.
That might even be why you chose
food in the first place,
although it quickly becomes
something not enjoyed.
The thing that's going to have
to be addressed sooner or later
for lasting change is slowing
down, as I said.
Binge eating happens really
fast.
Food isn't tasted and it's often
an autopilot experience.
Can you identify with that?
Mindful eating is about slowing
down when you eat.
Enjoying the food instead of
wolfing it down without even
noticing it.
Just like living more mindfully.
Living more mindfully is about
enjoying your day, enjoying what
you do at work or what you do
all day, or even just taking out
the dustbin, enjoying the moment
somehow rather than resenting it
and rushing it.
Because you have the time to,
rather than because you're
trying to get it over with.
So that's number five, to start
reflecting on what you actually
need and to start meeting your
own needs.
Because let me tell you, what
I've found is that if you don't
meet your needs, you're not
going to give up the food.
Or to put it in the opposite
way, if you start meeting your
needs, you're going to start
treating yourself better, so you
won't need the food so much.
You won't need junk food.
You won't need to squash how you
feel because you won't feel that
bad.
You'll feel good about yourself
because you'll be treating
yourself like someone you
actually love.
So those are some of the things
to explore if you find that the
binge eating at a certain time
of day cripples you a little
bit.
So here's to recap.
Number one, understand your
eating evening habits and what
practical habits and habits of
thought you have around food, or
whatever time of day it is for
you.
Number two, ask yourself what
state you're in all day that
might be causing you to binge
eat.
It's important to understand
what you were doing before the
binge.
And number three, what's the
purpose of this state?
What's the day state, or the
weekend state, or the weekday
state, or the night state?
What's it doing for you?
And number four, what is the
purpose of your Binge.
What is the binge doing for you?
How well is it actually meeting
what your needs are?
And number five, what are your
real needs?
During the day, before you start
to eat, and in the evening, what
are your real needs?
So that's it for today.
I'll be back in two weeks, but
thank you so much for listening.
But if you're ready to go
further now, please be in touch.
My programme details are at
bristolcounselling.co.uk, or you
can get in touch with me,
Shelley underscore treacher at
hotmail.com, and you can also
join my support group, Facebook
Comfort Eating Recovery Support
Group.
Thank you so much.
I hope to see you next time.